[slurm-users] GrpTRESMins and GrpTRESRaw usage

[Christopher Benjamin Coffey]

Hi Miguel, 

This is intriguing as I didn't know about this possibility, in dealing with fairshare, and limited priority minutes qos at the same time. How can you verify how many minutes have been used of this qos that has been setup with grptresmins ? Is that possible? Thanks.

Best,
Chris
 
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Christopher Coffey
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Northern Arizona University
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On 6/23/22, 9:44 AM, "slurm-users on behalf of Miguel Oliveira" <slurm-users-bounces at lists.schedmd.com on behalf of miguel.oliveira at uc.pt> wrote:

    Hi Gérard,
    It is not exactly true that you have no solution to limit projects. If you implement each project as an account then you can create an account qos with the NoDecay flags.
    This will not affect associations so priority and fair share are not impacted.

    The way we do it is to create a qos:

    sacctmgr -i --quiet create qos "{{ item.account }}" set flags=DenyOnLimit,NoDecay GrpTRESMin=cpu=600


    And then use this qos when the account (project) is created:

    sacctmgr -i --quiet add account "{{ item.account }}" Parent="{{ item.parent }}" QOS="{{ item.account }}" Fairshare=1 Description="{{ item.description }}”

    We even have a slurm bank implementation to play along with this technique and it has not failed us yet too much! :)

    Hope that helps,

    Miguel Afonso Oliveira



    On 23 Jun 2022, at 14:57, gerard.gil at cines.fr wrote:

    Hi Ole and B/H,

    Thanks for your answers.



    You're right B/H, and as I tuned TRESBillingWeights option to only counts cpu, in my case :        nb of reserved core   =    "TRES billing cost"   

    You're right again I forgot the PriorityDecayHalfLife parameter which is also used by fairshare Multifactor Priority. 
    We use multifactor priority to manage the priority of jobs in the queue, and we set the values of PriorityDecayHalfLife and PriorityUsageResetPeriod according to these needs.
    So PriorityDecayHalfLife will decay GrpTRESRaw and  GrpTRESMins  can't be used as we want.

    Setting  the NoDecay flag to a QOS could be an option but I suppose it also impact fairshare Multifactor Priority  of all jobs using this QOS.

    This means I have no solution to limit a project as we want, unless schedMD changes its behavior or adds a new feature.  

    Thanks a lot.

    Regards, 
    Gérard
     <http://www.cines.fr/>


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    De: "Bjørn-Helge Mevik" <b.h.mevik at usit.uio.no>
    À: slurm-users at schedmd.com
    Envoyé: Jeudi 23 Juin 2022 12:39:27
    Objet: Re: [slurm-users] GrpTRESMins and GrpTRESRaw usage




     Ole Holm Nielsen <Ole.H.Nielsen at fysik.dtu.dk> writes:

     Hi Bjørn-Helge,



     Hello, Ole! :)

     On 6/23/22 09:18, Bjørn-Helge Mevik wrote:

     Slurm the same internal variables are used for fairshare calculations as
     for GrpTRESMins (and similar), so when fair share priorities are in use,
     slurm will reduce accumulated GrpTRESMins over time.  This means that it
     is impossible(*) to use GrpTRESMins limits and fairshare
     priorities at the same time.



     This is a surprising observation!



     I discovered it quite a few years ago, when we wanted to use Slurm to
     enforce cpu hour quota limits (instead of using Maui+Gold).  Can't
     remember anymore if I was surprised or just sad. :D

     We use a 14 days HalfLife in slurm.conf:
     PriorityDecayHalfLife=14-0

     Since our longest running jobs can run only 7 days, maybe our limits
     never get reduced as you describe?



     The accumulated usage is reduced every 5 minutes (by default; see
     PriorityCalcPeriod).  The reduction is done by multiplying the
     accumulated usage by a number slightly less than 1.  The number is
     chosen so that the accumulated usage is reduced to 50 % after
     PriorityDecayHalfLife (given that you don't run anything more in
     between, of course).  With a halflife of 14 days and the default calc
     period, that number is very close to 1 (0.9998281 if my calculations are
     correct :).

     Note: I read all about these details on the schedmd web pages some years
     ago.  I cannot find them again (the parts about the multiplication with
     a number smaller than 1 to get the half life), so I might be wrong on
     some of the details.

     BTW, I've written a handy script for displaying user limits in a
     readable format:
     https://github.com/OleHolmNielsen/Slurm_tools/tree/master/showuserlimits



     Nice!

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     B/H