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<p>And also the DMTCP project.<br>
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Zacarias Benta <<a href="mailto:zacarias@lip.pt"
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> Good morning everyone.<br>
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> I'm having a "issue", I don't know if it is a "bug or a
feature".<br>
> I've created a QOS: "sacctmgr add qos myqos set
GrpTRESMins=cpu=10<br>
> flags=NoDecay". I know the limit it too low, but I
just wanted to<br>
> give you guys an example. Whenever a user submits a
job and uses this<br>
> QOS, if the job reaches the limit I've defined, the job
is canceled<br>
> and I loose and the computation it had done so far. Is
it possible to<br>
> create a QOS/slurm setting that when the users reach
the limit, it<br>
> changes the job state to pending? This way I can
increase the limits,<br>
> change the job state to Runnig so it can continue until
it reaches<br>
> completion. I know this is a little bit odd, but I
have users that<br>
> have requested cpu time as per an agreement between our
HPC center and<br>
> their institutions. I know limits are set so they can
be enforced,<br>
> what I'm trying to prevent is for example, a person
having a job<br>
> running for 2 months and at the end not having any data
because they<br>
> just needed a few more days. This could be prevented if
I could grant<br>
> them a couple more days of cpu, if the job went on to a
pending state<br>
> after reaching the limit.<br>
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<div>Your "pending" suggestion does not really make sense. A
pending job is no longer attached <br>
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<div>to a node, it is in the queue. It sounds like you are
trying to "suspend" the job, e.g. ctrl-Z it in most shells,
so that it is no longer using CPU. But even that would have
it consuming RAM, which on many clusters would be a serious
problem.</div>
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<div>Slurm supports a "grace-period" for walltime., the
OverTimeLimit parameter. I have not used it, but might be
what you want. From web docs<br>
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<div><b>OverTimeLimit</b> - Amount by which a job can exceed
its time limit
before it is killed. A system-wide configuration parameter.</div>
<div>I believe if a job has a 1 day time limit, and
OVerTimeLimit is 1 hour, the job effectively gets 25 hours
before it is terminated.</div>
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<div>You also should look into getting your users to
checkpoint jobs (as hard as educating users is). I.e.,
jobs, especially large or long running jobs, should
periodically save their state to a file. That way, if job
is terminated before it is complete for any reason (from
time limits to failed hardware to power outages, etc), it
should be able to resume from the last checkpoint. So if
job check points every 6 hours, it should not lose more than
about 6 hours of runtime should it terminate prematurely.
This sort of is the "pending" solution you referred to; the
job dies, but can be restarted/requeued with additional time
and more or less start up from where it left off.</div>
<div>Some applications support checkpointing natively, and
there are libraries/packages like dmtcp which can do more
systemy checkpointing.<br>
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I'm not sure there is a solution to your problem. You want
to both<br>
limit the time jobs can run and also not limit it. How much
more time<br>
do you want to give a job which has reached its limit? A
fixed time? A<br>
percentage of the time used up to now? What happens if two
months plus<br>
a few more days is not enough and the job needs a few more
days?<br>
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The longer you allow jobs to run, the more CPU is lost when
jobs fail to<br>
complete, the sadder users then are. In addition the longer
jobs run,<br>
the more likely they are to fall victim to hardware failure
and the less<br>
able you are to perform administrative task which require a
down-time.<br>
We run a university cluster with an upper time-limit of 14
days, which I<br>
consider fairly long, and occasionally extend individual
jobs on a<br>
case-by-case basis. For our users this seems to work fine.<br>
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If your job need months, you are in general using the wrong
software<br>
or using the software wrong. There may be exceptions to
this, but in my<br>
experience, these are few and far between.<br>
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So my advice would be to try to convince your users that
shorter<br>
run-times are in fact better for them and only by happy
accident also<br>
better for you.<br>
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Just my 2¢.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<br>
Loris<br>
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> Cumprimentos / Best Regards,<br>
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> Zacarias Benta<br>
> INCD @ LIP - Universidade do Minho<br>
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